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February 1, 2006

Posted by Winter in rape, war.

Well, this is hideous.

Women soldiers refusing to drink, and then dying of dehydration in Iraq, for fear that going out at night will lead to getting raped by male soldiers. I have nothing to add; read the article. These knd of stories exhaust me.

Edit: Read Sappho’s follow up post here.



1. sappho - February 1, 2006

Oh my god Winter! That is such a hideous story! I’m disgusted. If you don’t mind, I would really love to write a post about this & help spread the word on my blog. It’s too outrageous to pass up.

2. Winter - February 1, 2006

Go for it. I’m afaid I don’t have the energy right now.

3. Andrea - February 1, 2006

I know what you mean, Winter. Some things are just so disgusting it’s difficult to find words.

4. Chameleon - February 2, 2006

I agree that this is truly appalling. At the moment I am reading Brownmiller’s Against Our Will for a piece I am writing on alcohol and rape. It is truly shattering to see how little has changed in what remains a totally male-dominated institution. The comment by the architect of the cover-up along the lines of “little girls don’t belong here, they shouldn’t snivel and if they can’t take the heat (literally and metaphorically) let them stay at home and play with their Barbie dolls instead of handling guns” makes me want to throw up. Sappho, I look forward to reading your response.

5. Haplo - February 2, 2006

Not saying it didn’t happen, but don’t you think a little bit of skepticism is in order here?
1. These women are armed. Why would they not carry a pistol with them when they go to the bathroom? Something happens, shoot the bastard.
2. This isn’t in the middle of nowhere. They are on a base. With soldiers sleeping, and MP’s standing guard. Wouldn’t an attacker have a tough time keeping a rape/assault in progress from attracting attention?
3. Lets start with the premise that you are worried about getting raped so you don’t go out at night. Fine. Your solution to avoid going out at night is to not drink water?? And you decide that this is a great idea in the desert? How about a coffee can under your bed? How about getting a male friend to accompany you? Or a female friend, if a male friend does not share your concern? Or finding a sheltered location much nearer your barracks and just peeing on the ground?

Again, not saying that it didn’t happen, but there has got to be more to the story, otherwise this sounds pretty fishy to me.

6. Andrea - February 6, 2006

Surprisingly enough Haplo, you aren’t allowed to go around shooting other soldiers at your leisure. Since nobody believes women when there’s physical evidence of rape, nobody will believe a female soldier killed a fellow soldier in self defense.
Or are you just trying to take over another discussion?

7. Haplo - February 7, 2006

Oh boy! I guess I get to use a similarly distainful tone in response to Andrea!

>Surprisingly enough Haplo, you aren’t allowed to go around shooting other soldiers at your leisure.

Surprisingly enough Andrea, I didn’t say nor even imply that women should shoot other soldiers at their leisure. The point I was trying to make is that shooting another soldier in self defense is possible under the mentioned circumstances. And in fact quite justified in my opinion. Perhaps you overlooked this subtle point in your haste to paint me as the bad guy.

>Since nobody believes women when there’s physical evidence of rape, nobody will believe a female soldier killed a fellow soldier in self defense.

Oh, so thats why there has never been successfully prosecuted rape cases. I never realized that noone, especially noone in the legal system, believed physical evidence in rape cases. Oh wait, women have successfully prosecuted rape cases! Weird! What is your sentence supposed to mean? Not enough accusations of rape have been successful in courts of law for your taste? Or are you just figuring that hey, since the United States military is mostly male, theres no way a woman could get a fair shake there. After all, what else would you expect from a male dominated organization, right?

>Or are you just trying to take over another discussion?

Not sure what to make of this one, as my post, in fact, was directly referencing the post that was made in the first place. Usually, on blogs, when commenters try to take over a discussion, they are trying to divert the topic of conversation to something that isn’t related to the original post. But maybe this didn’t matter to you either.

Pretty high level of back and forth, no? Please consider (not that I expect that you will) that your distain is not going to change my opinion and is thus a waste of your time.

8. Winter - February 7, 2006

Hey, feelings are running very high on this issue on all sides, but can we cool the conversation down a little bit!

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